I decided to grab my 28 scores now since tomorrow (last day of the month) USB will be reporting a new "high balance" for me and I wanted a before/after pull to see the impact of that single highest utilization card change. With the pull from today, I have quite a few more AWB than my previous pull earlier this month (so no aging factors changed). Dollar amounts are more or less irrelevant since we're talking all small balances, so we can look to just AWB. My starting point was AZEO from my previous pull. Reported balances are a little inconsistent because the end of the month is very busy for me with reporting, so based on bureau I had a few accounts that had/hadn't updated at the time of the pull. Open accounts on my CR are 1 mortgage, 1 HELOC, 9 BC, 1 store card. The mortgage and HELOC as far as AWB remained the same (mortgage has a balance, HELOC does not). This is what changed exactly, per bureau: Experian: 1 BWB --> 7 BWB and 0 SWB --> 1 SWB (9 total AWB) TransUnion: 1 BWB --> 5 BWB and 0 SWB --> 1 SWB (7 total AWB) Equifax: 1 BWB --> 6 BWB and 0 SWB --> 1 SWB (8 total AWB) Before/after score variances are shown below: BWB.png A few takeaways: As we already knew, EX8 doesn't care about BWB. It seems EX Auto 8 doesn't either, but we can't say all EX 8s don't as EX BCE8 is impacted heavily as shown. For EX8 being bulletproof to BWB, it's interesting that most other EX scores are heavily impacted by them. All BCE8s are impacted more by BWB than BCE9s My TU9 and EQ9 scores were 850 to start, so with "hidden points" losses due to BWB increases couldn't be seen like they could on EX. I do challenge the blanket statement we've always said that "mortgage scores are more sensitive [than Classic 8s] to BWB changes. While my scores prove that to be true 2/3 of the time with EX/TU, as can be seen I lost more points on EQ8 than I did on EQ5. If anyone has any questions or would like to comment on anything else that would be great.
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I decided to grab my 28 scores now since tomorrow (last day of the month) USB will be reporting a new "high balance" for me and I wanted a before/after pull to see the impact of that single highest utilization card change. With the pull from today, I have quite a few more AWB than my previous pull earlier this month (so no aging factors changed). Dollar amounts are more or less irrelevant since we're talking all small balances, so we can look to just AWB. My starting point was AZEO from my previous pull. Reported balances are a little inconsistent because the end of the month is very busy for me with reporting, so based on bureau I had a few accounts that had/hadn't updated at the time of the pull. Open accounts on my CR are 1 mortgage, 1 HELOC, 9 BC, 1 store card. The mortgage and HELOC as far as AWB remained the same (mortgage has a balance, HELOC does not). This is what changed exactly, per bureau: Experian: 1 BWB --> 7 BWB and 0 SWB --> 1 SWB (9 total AWB) TransUnion: 1 BWB --> 5 BWB and 0 SWB --> 1 SWB (7 total AWB) Equifax: 1 BWB --> 6 BWB and 0 SWB --> 1 SWB (8 total AWB) Before/after score variances are shown below:
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A few takeaways: As we already knew, EX8 doesn't care about BWB. It seems EX Auto 8 doesn't either, but we can't say all EX 8s don't as EX BCE8 is impacted heavily as shown. For EX8 being bulletproof to BWB, it's interesting that most other EX scores are heavily impacted by them. All BCE8s are impacted more by BWB than BCE9s My TU9 and EQ9 scores were 850 to start, so with "hidden points" losses due to BWB increases couldn't be seen like they could on EX. I do challenge the blanket statement we've always said that "mortgage scores are more sensitive [than Classic 8s] to BWB changes. While my scores prove that to be true 2/3 of the time with EX/TU, as can be seen I lost more points on EQ8 than I did on EQ5. If anyone has any questions or would like to comment on anything else that would be great.
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Re: BWB increases and related score drops

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Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:55 pm
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Interesting results. And while I believe the advice still stands for optimizing mortgage scores, you’re right it’s not as effective for EQ5 obviously on that scorecard.
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Yes true. While it does state it off to the side I should log the fact that this is on a clean/thick/new revolver scorecard. Who knows, when someone finds this thread a couple of years from now maybe I'll have a filthy file so I don't want to mislead anyone!
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Re: BWB increases and related score drops

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Very good point
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@Cassie sometimes mentions are not working, The names don’t pop up. I finally got it. Anyway to address this problem in the thread, when someone clicks on the buttons to enter an application or denial, we need to have it freeze the metrics in the label that we place on the top of the post. Might be nice to even give a label on when a thread is created what the metrics were for poster, that way if somebody looks at a thread later on they know what they were
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Re: BWB increases and related score drops

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Yes very good thinking above.
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Re: BWB increases and related score drops

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So a profile snapshot at time of post?

I knew there was going to be something I didn't think of for database normalization. lol

Yeah, we need it. I can generate most of it with a given date as it stands now.
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Cassie wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:34 pm So a profile snapshot at time of post? I knew there was going to be something I didn't think of for database normalization. lol Yeah, we need it. I can generate most of it with a given date as it stands now.
@cassie it should not interfere with normalization, as everything should be able to be calculated at the posting time and incorporated statically to the post, and like you said, you can go back in time for everything, but we don’t necessarily have to worry about existing posts if that’s too much, maybe no way to figure those out. But you may have a point, it might be good to add a another table for scorecard and date to keep a record of what scorecard somebody was on at a particular date. You could do a one-to-many and let it add a row every time there’s a scorecard change. That would be good for their personal records & help explain changes in their graph.
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