I was having a discussion in a group about why someone cant seem to get their score to the 800s. I was wondering if there are general guidelines for what this requires? Aside from good payment history, no derogs, and low utilization (both agg and ind), I felt like time was a major factor that is often overlooked as well as no new apps/accounts for, say 2 years? I understand that you do *not* need to have a installment loan to hit 800. So do we have any idea of what sort of AAoA and/or AoOA an 800 score requires? And I assume one should avoid HPs and new accounts for at least 1 or 2 years? This person oldest account, a revolver, is only 7 years old, so I felt that probably is not long enough to get to 800. Am I wrong? Lol AITA? Birdman BrutalBodyShots and anyone else that has ideas?
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Re: General guide for getting to 800s?

17 of 21
2 years ago
Mon May 09, 2022 5:11 pm
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We have a link in the Primer to a thread on MF about this: Example of 20-year-old hitting 800 with two years history Later on, at 3yr0mo AoOA, he came back to say that his score dropped -20 points for no apparent reason. There were many other reports of this happening in a different thread. It also happened to me on TU8, but not EX8. (I think we have a link to the MF thread on this AoOA 3yr0mo threshold in the Primer as well.)
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Re: General guide for getting to 800s?

18 of 21
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Mon May 09, 2022 9:57 pm
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That's around what I was thinking. So you hit 800, build it up a bit more (another year) then drop to probably 785 or so and take a year or two to regain 800. Sounds reasonable.
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Re: General guide for getting to 800s?

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Thu May 12, 2022 1:06 am
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 9:42 pm
Birdman wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 9:30 pm @BrutalBodyShots excellent analysis and plan with one problem: at three years there’s a significant drop and it takes time for that to build back up. Right before three years yes, right afterwards no, it would take some time to come back.
The scorecard reassignment associated with that usually results in a drop of what, 20 points or so? I'm trying to recall back to those that have reported on that front. If so and we're talking a drop from (say) 810 to 790 on an otherwise optimized file, I wouldn't think that 800 would be out of reach for all too long under most circumstances when things like AAoA/AAoRA can give 4-5 point bumps each year, for example.
I totally agree if someone’s at 800 but how many people are going to start off in the correct manner so that they can achieve that by two years? If they follow my plan for those with no credit, I bet they wd but how many people know that? I posted it at Reddit and I’m 98% certain I posted it here as well. Hey I thought I made you a moderator in CreditRebels but when I looked you weren’t so I invited you again was it just fico?
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Re: General guide for getting to 800s?

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Thu May 12, 2022 7:04 am
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Birdman wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 1:06 am I totally agree if someone’s at 800 but how many people are going to start off in the correct manner so that they can achieve that by two years? If they follow my plan for those with no credit, I bet they wd but how many people know that? I posted it at Reddit and I’m 98% certain I posted it here as well. Hey I thought I made you a moderator in CreditRebels but when I looked you weren’t so I invited you again was it just fico?
Yeah that's why I took the angle early in this thread for someone following the path of optimization out of the gate. Later I went back and replied saying I understood that may not necessarily be the case for everyone. I thought it was CR that you gave mod access to?
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Re: General guide for getting to 800s?

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Mon May 16, 2022 5:36 am
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 7:04 am
Birdman wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 1:06 am I totally agree if someone’s at 800 but how many people are going to start off in the correct manner so that they can achieve that by two years? If they follow my plan for those with no credit, I bet they wd but how many people know that? I posted it at Reddit and I’m 98% certain I posted it here as well. Hey I thought I made you a moderator in CreditRebels but when I looked you weren’t so I invited you again was it just fico?
Yeah that's why I took the angle early in this thread for someone following the path of optimization out of the gate. Later I went back and replied saying I understood that may not necessarily be the case for everyone. I thought it was CR that you gave mod access to?
Totally agree, now you are on both.
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