What is an industry standard score? A lot of people are unfamiliar with industry standard versions of Fico classic scores. As far back as the 1998 versions, the classic scores also had industry standard counterparts that basically added another 100 points to the range and customized it for a particular reason. For instance you have a industry standard auto score & an industry standard bankcard score. There used to be a mortgage one, but it never caught on so they finally gave up. So you have version 2 (1998) EX2 Classic, EX2 Auto & EX2 Bankcard, three different variants of the same bureau version. Likewise, you have version 3 (2004) EX3 Classic, EX3 Auto & EX3 Bankcard, three different variants of the same bureau version. (nobody really uses this it was the forgotten score. USAA, maybe one other.) version 4 (2004) TU4 Classic, TU4 Auto & TU4 Bankcard, three different variants of the same bureau version. Version 5 (2004) EQ5 Classic, EQ5 Auto, EQ5 BC Same pattern applies to version 8 and version 9 at each bureau. So for each version you have three variants at each bureau. That’s nine different scores for each version for 8 & 9. F10 added a fourth variant, 10T, so four variants for version 10 at each bureau, for a total of 12. Only EX2 is used from 1998. (3 variants). TU4 and EQ5 are used from 2004 (Another 6 variants). (9 total in use so far.) Starting with version 8 (2008) all three bureaus had the same numerical designation for the version, as opposed to for instance 2004 where the same version had different numbers at each bureau 3/4/5. But remember the mortgage scores are 5/4/2: for Experian they didn’t use 3 and instead go back to 1998’s EX2. So they are made up of two versions from 2004 and one from 1998. Version 8 (2008) has three variants at each of the three bureaus, (9 variants). (18 total in use so far.) Version 9 (2014) has three variants at each of the three bureaus, (9 variants). (27 total in use so far.) MF throws in version 3 classic to make 28 scores, plus now they are offering model 10 10 Auto, 10 BC, and the new variant 10T at each bureau, (12 variants). (40 total in use now.) I don’t know of anywhere that offers version 3 auto or bankcard. Experian mislabels theirs as bank card. Lol. Yes Experian got their own stuff wrong! Yes I’m telling you that Experian labeled their own score incorrectly. Industry standard scores have a different score range 250-900, whereas the classic scores are 300 to 850 for versions 8 forward. So basically, the industry standard adds up to 100 points to the classic score based on factors thought to specialize the score for either bankcard lending or auto loan lending. You can also see Industry standard scores have additional scoring factors and they are weighted differently. Some scoring factors appear to remain longer and have additional thresholds. It’s gonna also be useful because many times you can get the negative reason codes here even if your classic scores are too high to receive it. I hope this gives members an idea of the range just a FICO scores available and in use. Then remember we have vantagescore than almost no one uses, VS3 & VS4. I’m not done I’m gonna come back and fill in some more. I just brought this over from Reddit then I’ll add more for here. © 2022, MFBirdman7. All rights reserved by Birdman CreditRebels.net
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What is an industry standard score?

A lot of people are unfamiliar with industry standard versions of Fico classic scores. As far back as the 1998 versions, the classic scores also had industry standard counterparts that basically added another 100 points to the range and customized it for a particular reason.

For instance you have a industry standard auto score & an industry standard bankcard score. There used to be a mortgage one, but it never caught on so they finally gave up.

So you have version 2 (1998) EX2 Classic, EX2 Auto & EX2 Bankcard, three different variants of the same bureau version.

Likewise, you have version 3 (2004) EX3 Classic, EX3 Auto & EX3 Bankcard, three different variants of the same bureau version. (nobody really uses this it was the forgotten score. USAA, maybe one other.)

version 4 (2004) TU4 Classic, TU4 Auto & TU4 Bankcard, three different variants of the same bureau version.

Version 5 (2004) EQ5 Classic, EQ5 Auto, EQ5 BC

Same pattern applies to version 8 and version 9 at each bureau. So for each version you have three variants at each bureau. That’s nine different scores for each version for 8 & 9. F10 added a fourth variant, 10T, so four variants for version 10 at each bureau, for a total of 12.

Only EX2 is used from 1998. (3 variants).

TU4 and EQ5 are used from 2004 (Another 6 variants). (9 total in use so far.)

Starting with version 8 (2008) all three bureaus had the same numerical designation for the version, as opposed to for instance 2004 where the same version had different numbers at each bureau 3/4/5.

But remember the mortgage scores are 5/4/2: for Experian they didn’t use 3 and instead go back to 1998’s EX2. So they are made up of two versions from 2004 and one from 1998.


Version 8 (2008) has three variants at each of the three bureaus, (9 variants). (18 total in use so far.)

Version 9 (2014) has three variants at each of the three bureaus, (9 variants). (27 total in use so far.)

MF throws in version 3 classic to make 28 scores, plus now they are offering model 10 10 Auto, 10 BC, and the new variant 10T at each bureau, (12 variants). (40 total in use now.)

I don’t know of anywhere that offers version 3 auto or bankcard. Experian mislabels theirs as bank card. Lol. Yes Experian got their own stuff wrong! Yes I’m telling you that Experian labeled their own score incorrectly.

Industry standard scores have a different score range 250-900, whereas the classic scores are 300 to 850 for versions 8 forward. So basically, the industry standard adds up to 100 points to the classic score based on factors thought to specialize the score for either bankcard lending or auto loan lending.

You can also see Industry standard scores have additional scoring factors and they are weighted differently. Some scoring factors appear to remain longer and have additional thresholds. It’s gonna also be useful because many times you can get the negative reason codes here even if your classic scores are too high to receive it.

I hope this gives members an idea of the range just a FICO scores available and in use. Then remember we have vantagescore than almost no one uses, VS3 & VS4.

I’m not done I’m gonna come back and fill in some more. I just brought this over from Reddit then I’ll add more for here.

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Re: Classic vs. Industry Standard Scores

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Nice breakdown. Perhaps you know the answer to this question I have about FICO scores: Why is there no FICO 1, 6, or 7; and why is EX the only bureau that has a score based on the '98 version?
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@Birdman there are 4 x F10s for each bureau, 10, 10T, Auto10, and BC10. Unless I misunderstand what you are saying. So it is the 28 scores, plus 12 x F10 scores, giving 40 scores now, plus the resiliency index score - not a credit score, I know.
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Man, up to 40 is crazy!

I wonder when some of the little used ones are going to go away. I can't imagine the list is going to continue to grow indefinitely. At some point like old accounts I would expect some of these models to drop off.
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Credible wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:25 am Nice breakdown. Perhaps you know the answer to this question I have about FICO scores: Why is there no FICO 1, 6, or 7; and why is EX the only bureau that has a score based on the '98 version?
The answer to your first question is that the names of FICO versions weren't standardized across the bureaus until FICO8. So, for versions still in use, it goes FICO 98, FICO 04, FICO 8, FICO 9, FICO 10. Experian called FICO 98 EX 2 and for them FICO 04 was EX3. TU called their FICO 04 TU4 and EQ called theirs EQ5 or Beacon. As to why the standardized numbers started with 8, FICO's website states that FICO 8 is its 8th generation FICO score. TU and EQ also had scores on the FICO 98 version, but they're not in use anymore. EX2 is still in use b/c, for whatever reason, when Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were setting down the rules for what scores lenders could use for conforming mortgages, they picked the EX score from the 98 version and the TU and EQ scores from the 04 version.
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@Slabenstein thank you for your answer. I just have one important correction to one sentence you made. You mentioned Sallie Mae; it is Fannie Mae.
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Thanks for catching that! Fixed above.
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LaHossBoss wrote: Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:05 pm @Birdman there are 4 x F10s for each bureau, 10, 10T, Auto10, and BC10. Unless I misunderstand what you are saying. So it is the 28 scores, plus 12 x F10 scores, giving 40 scores now, plus the resiliency index score - not a credit score, I know.
@LaHossBoss yes you’re right I was tired when I wrote it so I kind of ignored 10. Good catch thank you I corrected it!
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@Credible sorry haven’t been around lately but @Slabenstein is on point as usual. To buttress that, I would note that yes each bureau had its own versions of the 98 Fico score as well as the 95 FICO scores, as well as the Nextgen fico scores, fico XD, there are many. I think about 60 in total. Too many to try to keep track of that’s for sure.
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