[Edit: Update March 2024 (2y8m old file) : TU8 still at 790 for this month's Bank of America update on the 19th. [Edit: Update January 2024 : EX8 jumped +5 due entirely to crossing the AAoA 2y6m threshold! Yet another data point confirming this threshold. TU8 still at 790 for this month's Bank of America update on the 19th. [Edit: Update December 2023 : TransUnion FICO 8 score is now 790 at 2 years and 5 months in on a brand new credit file with a single revolving, bankcard account. Reporting utilization is exactly 4% of a $1,500 credit limit: $60.00. [Edit: Update April 2023 : TransUnion FICO 8 score is now 788 at 1 year and 9 months in on a brand new credit file with a single revolving, bankcard account. [Edit: Update December 2022 : TransUnion FICO 8 score is now 778 at 1 year and 5 months in on a brand new credit file with a single revolving, bankcard account. Link to Post --------------------------------------------- Bank of America updated my friend's TransUnion FICO 8 score on January 20th. Technically, she reached the 6 month threshold on January 1, having opened her BoA card on July 31, 2021. ( For general public information: FICO counts from the 1st of the month in which you applied and were approved for an account.) So here it is: 1 single credit card account on a clean credit file that is only 6 months old. (EDIT: Reported utilization is 4% of a $1,500 credit limit. ($64/1500 = 4.3%, which is 4% since FICO uses standard midpoint rounding.) Also keep in mind that this score includes a single inquiry from BoA when she applied for this card. A single inquiry in the first year of having a credit file can easily cost 10-20 points! I saw this on my own file when I got my first 2 credit cards: -20 points on EX8 for the first inquiry! TransUnion (TU) FICO 8 score is 750 !! Note that TU has her only inquiry so far, and later we found out that a single inquiry cost -21 points. [ Link to report here , showing the jump from 750 to 771 after the single inquiry aged to 1 year. ] This is a typical loss for new credit files! It doesn't happen to much older files, where the loss can be only 1-3 points. This first credit score could have been 771 on the TransUnion version of the FICO 8 score model. (Each CRA has some customization done on the base model for product differentiation.) tu8-1_card_at_-6mo-jan22-full.png This answers some commonly searched for questions: When will I have a credit score? After 6 months. What will my credit score be after I get my first credit card? It can be 750, as shown here. How soon will I have a good credit score? In 6 months, as shown here. How long does it take to get a good credit score? 6 months, as shown here. You can start with a credit score of 750 after 6 months. What credit score do you start with? Answer: Around 750 or more.
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Beefy wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:16 pm Az loss @10 instead of 12 for 2y3m(27m) was it because they got 2 points for a rule of 3 benchmark?
I doubt it, because that's usually AAoA and those thresholds use a Rule of 6. I think it's the 2y0m on the revolving account. The thing is, both AoORA and AAoORA are the same 2y0m since she only has that single card on the whole file.
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Well this is weird...AZ back to 4.0% exactly ($60) and now 12 points comes back. Last month, agg/ind util went from 4.0% exact to AZ, and the loss was -10 points. 790 TransUnion FICO 8 at 2y4m in on a clean credit file with 1 single account on it: a revolving, unsecured bankcard. Image
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AAoA 2 years 6 months threshold was crossed on January 1, 2024. EX8 +5 ! Have to wait for the BoA TU8 update later this month around Jan 20-23. (This +5 is greater than the +2 I received at this threshold with 2 cards.) Utilization is exactly the same as last month. Image
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January 2024 update at 2 years 6 months Age of Oldest Account and Average Age of Accounts (Single card, clean file.): Same as last month with utilization at exactly 4.0% ($60) of a $1,500 credit limit. TU8 did not change after crossing the 2y6m AAoA threshold. EX8 did go up +5 points at this threshold. (This +5 is greater than the +2 I received at this threshold with 2 cards.) Image
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Hey @Cassie , what is the EX8 score that goes hand in hand (same report data) as the current 790 TU8? Also from 2y0m to 2y6m, what do you attribute the gain from since there was nothing to be found at 2y6m?
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:06 pm Hey @Cassie , what is the EX8 score that goes hand in hand (same report data) as the current 790 TU8? Also from 2y0m to 2y6m, what do you attribute the gain from since there was nothing to be found at 2y6m?
EX8 and TU8 are both the same at 2y6m: 790. EX8 +5 to 790 happened on the 1st of January, which was the 2y6m threshold. The account would not report until the 8th. No change in reason statements: #1 is always 'Too few accounts', with #2 'Lack of recent installment loan information'. TU8 stayed at 790 - didn't move.
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Cassie wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:21 pm
BrutalBodyShots wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:06 pm Hey @Cassie , what is the EX8 score that goes hand in hand (same report data) as the current 790 TU8? Also from 2y0m to 2y6m, what do you attribute the gain from since there was nothing to be found at 2y6m?
EX8 and TU8 are both the same at 2y6m: 790. EX8 +5 to 790 happened on the 1st of January, which was the 2y6m threshold. The account would not report until the 8th. No change in reason statements: #1 is always 'Too few accounts', with #2 'Lack of recent installment loan information'. TU8 stayed at 790 - didn't move.
Gotcha. What was the last increase from X to 790 on TU8 attributed to since it wasn't the 2y6m threshold? Have you given any thought to what will happen at the 3 year mark when scorecard reassignment happens? I'd be very curious to see what sort of score drop is realized!
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:21 pm
Cassie wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:21 pm
BrutalBodyShots wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:06 pm Hey @Cassie , what is the EX8 score that goes hand in hand (same report data) as the current 790 TU8? Also from 2y0m to 2y6m, what do you attribute the gain from since there was nothing to be found at 2y6m?
EX8 and TU8 are both the same at 2y6m: 790. EX8 +5 to 790 happened on the 1st of January, which was the 2y6m threshold. The account would not report until the 8th. No change in reason statements: #1 is always 'Too few accounts', with #2 'Lack of recent installment loan information'. TU8 stayed at 790 - didn't move.
Gotcha. What was the last increase from X to 790 on TU8 attributed to since it wasn't the 2y6m threshold?
2y2m: 788 at 4.0% util ($60) 2y3m: 778 at All Zero (-10 pts) 2y4m: First time at 790 with 4.0% util ($60). +12 point gain. You'd think only +10pts would come back, but there it is, an extra 2pts somehow.
Have you given any thought to what will happen at the 3 year mark when scorecard reassignment happens? I'd be very curious to see what sort of score drop is realized!
I think EX8 will either stay the same or go up a few points. This is what happened to me with only 2 open bankcards and a closed SSL on file. I think both TU/EQ8 are going to drop, but somehow I think the loss is going to be less than what I observed, which was -20 on TU8 and -8 on EQ8.
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Level27 Last INQMonday, May 23, 2022 Gardening For2 years, 3 months, 15 days, 21 hours, and 57 minutes Next Level in15 days, 2 hours, and 3 minutes on September 23rd INQ 1yr onTuesday, May 23, 2023 INQ 1yr reached1 year, 3 months, 15 days, 21 hours, and 57 minutes ago INQ 2yr onThursday, May 23, 2024 INQ 2yr reached3 months, 15 days, 21 hours, and 57 minutes ago Goal24 months Goal DateThursday, May 23, 2024 Goal Achieved3 months, 15 days, 21 hours, and 57 minutes ago
That's actually less than I would have expected to be honest.

Those phantom 2 points... I'd really like to know what to attribute them to!
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Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:23 pm
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:53 am That's actually less than I would have expected to be honest. Those phantom 2 points... I'd really like to know what to attribute them to!
Here's one of her AZ losses: -12pts viewtopic.php?p=20762#p20762 (The 788 to 776 drop, May to June in the chart.) A +2pt gain on TU8 at 2y3m offset what should have been a full -12pt loss at All Zero that month. I think TU8 has a 2y3m threshold. It definitely has one at 1y9m and 2y3m is 6 months later. 2y9m might mean something with TU8 - I'll have to watch that. (A 1y9m gain is documented somewhere in this thread, and I also saw it on my own file.)
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Good to know. I hadn't heard about thresholds at 3m/9m points. Do you think those thresholds are in addition to the conventional ones at 0m/6m (I know you said you saw nothing at 2y6m) or instead of?
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:15 pm Good to know. I hadn't heard about thresholds at 3m/9m points. Do you think those thresholds are in addition to the conventional ones at 0m/6m (I know you said you saw nothing at 2y6m) or instead of?
These odd thresholds only seem to be on TU8, and only on young files - under 3y0m.
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Level54 Last INQFriday, February 14, 2020 Gardening For4 years, 6 months, 24 days, 21 hours, and 57 minutes Next Level in6 days, 2 hours, and 3 minutes on September 14th INQ 1yr onSunday, February 14, 2021 INQ 1yr reached3 years, 6 months, 24 days, 21 hours, and 57 minutes ago INQ 2yr onMonday, February 14, 2022 INQ 2yr reached2 years, 6 months, 24 days, 21 hours, and 57 minutes ago
2 year 8 month update: TU8: 790 AoOA/AAoA: 2y8m Utilization: 4.0% ($60) Credit Limit: $1500 Inquiries: 0 (Past the 2y threshold.) Single account file: 1 Unsecured Bankcard Score Source: Bank of America provided TransUnion FICO 8 Image
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It's crazy to me that when my SSL ends in a couple months that my scores will drop to around the same on a much thicker profile.
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Cassie wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:23 pm 2 year 8 month update: TU8: 790
Thanks for the update, @Cassie ! That score seems to be holding the line for now. Sort of off topic question... do you know of any sources or anyone that has put together potential Fico 8 scoring ranges for different scorecards? If there's one out there I'd love to take a look. If not, it would be a great tool IMO. Using your data point above as an example, we know that on a clean/thin/young scorecard one can possess a 790 F8. If there were a loan on that file, higher would of course be possible on the same scorecard. It would be interesting to see using data points from individuals regarding the highest scores they were able to obtain on certain scorecards. I got to 768 on Fico 8 with a dirty/thick/aged file, for example. Naturally many people don't understand scorecards in the first place, but with a few questions it can be determined. I think it would be really cool to have a list of proposed ranges for the different scorecards. Any time a new data point is introduced outside of the range, if verified, the range can be adjusted accordingly.
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:13 pm Sort of off topic question... do you know of any sources or anyone that has put together potential Fico 8 scoring ranges for different scorecards?
This is a great idea. A simple graphic showing the range next to each scorecard. I'll keep it in mind and do some searches here and there to see what I can come up with.
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