As we are all aware, mortgage scores despise accounts with balance. I just had an account report a zero balance and saw an 11 point score increase on EX2, from 713 -> 724. EX8 remained the same staying at 721. Industry score changes: AU2 676 --> 686, BC2 686 --> 698, F3 703 --> 705, BC8 713 --> 715 I have 16 open revolving accounts and 3 open installment accounts. I went from 10 revolving awb to 9 revolving awb. Overall AWB ratio: 68% --> 63% Revolver Only AWB ratio: 63% --> 56% I'm not sure if this came from crossing a certain percentage or if it was from decreasing the number of revolving accounts reporting a balance below 10. From my understanding, the accounts with a balance metric doesn't differentiate between installment and revolvers. Do closed accounts play into the AWB metric?
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aj2121 wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:29 am Had a $1 charge that was pending on my card that I didn't catch. I would have been able to cross the threshold again with only a $100 change in balance, but now I have a $1 balance reported that is just taunting me. :roll:
I hate it when crap like that happens when you're doing testing... screws everything up for another 30 days.
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My only AU account reported terminated today. So that is one less AWB on EX, and I saw the exact increases as last time +11 on EX2 and +12 on EX2 industry options. Change in balances was only $71 and there was no utilization thresholds crossed with the AU termination.

Total number of accounts is 32. AWB changed from 13 to 12. AWB Ratio from 40.625% to 37.5%
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Are we thinking number or percentage is at play here? 12 vs 13 or perhaps a 40% threshold?
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:27 am Are we thinking number or percentage is at play here? 12 vs 13 or perhaps a 40% threshold?
I would be interested in @Birdman's opinion on this. 40% threshold seems more logical, unless there is some other scorable factor that the number of revolvers with balance could affect on EX2.
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aj2121 wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:51 am My only AU account reported terminated today. So that is one less AWB on EX, and I saw the exact increases as last time +11 on EX2 and +12 on EX2 industry options. Change in balances was only $71 and there was no utilization thresholds crossed with the AU termination. Total number of accounts is 32. AWB changed from 13 to 12. AWB Ratio from 40.625% to 37.5%
@aj2121 Sounds like AWB to me, I’m going to have to retest or go back over my numbers, I thought I found one at 45% AWB on EX2, but I wasn’t positive because I haven’t been able to keep up with everything because I’ve had so much going on this past month or two. I’ve got to sit down and do all my numbers and catch up, it’s gonna take me sitting down and doing it. 40% is something I had hypothesized previously and when 45% came up for me it was kind of throwing me off, I kind of felt like 40% was it. No BBS, I don’t feel like it’s raw number. I think that only counts on a thin file or when it’s just a few. You have plenty of open & Reporting Accounts so I don’t see how it would implicate payment history. And if no utilization or balance thresholds were crossed, then AWB seems to be the answer especially considering it matches up with your previous data. The termination should not have affected length of history or new credit, as long as it was terminated not removed. You have a variety of other credit with that many open accounts so I don’t see it implicating Mix. I think I agree with you that it’s AWB. I should also note that I have seen that exact score change 11 and 12 for AWB on EX2. So I think that’s what it was.
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