Not sure if this is the correct sub-forum so feel free to move if needed. I feel there is a lot of confusion about authorized user (AU) accounts in general, but especially so in regards to how they affect aging when terminated. The below text is directly from the Experian website in regards to removing oneself as an AU. The account will no longer appear on your credit report, and its activity will not be factored into your credit scores. That also means that your length of credit history, which constitutes 15% of your FICO® Score, will be affected. In other words, if the credit card you were attached to was the oldest account on your report, your credit history will be shorter without it. The above is a blanket statement and leads many to believe that removing yourself as an AU will absolutely affect aging metrics. It has been my experience, however, that there are banks that will report the AU account as a closed card and allow you to retain the aging benefits. In my experience both Discover and Synchrony report as a closed account. And I should have a DP for Citi soon. Does anyone know of any other cards that will report as closed when the AU is terminated?
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Not sure if this is the correct sub-forum so feel free to move if needed. I feel there is a lot of confusion about authorized user (AU) accounts in general, but especially so in regards to how they affect aging when terminated. The below text is directly from the Experian website in regards to removing oneself as an AU.
The account will no longer appear on your credit report, and its activity will not be factored into your credit scores. That also means that your length of credit history, which constitutes 15% of your FICO® Score, will be affected. In other words, if the credit card you were attached to was the oldest account on your report, your credit history will be shorter without it.
The above is a blanket statement and leads many to believe that removing yourself as an AU will absolutely affect aging metrics. It has been my experience, however, that there are banks that will report the AU account as a closed card and allow you to retain the aging benefits. In my experience both Discover and Synchrony report as a closed account. And I should have a DP for Citi soon. Does anyone know of any other cards that will report as closed when the AU is terminated?
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I never even thought about the possibility of an AU account reporting as CLOSED and staying on the report to benefit aging. Thanks, @aj2121.
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Neither have I. My thought process was that just as quickly as it comes from the addition of it, the account would go away if removed. Good to know that isn't always the case.

That's important information if the discussion moves to that account being dirty. That would mean removing oneself as an AU on a dirty account wouldn't then always result in the elimination of that dirty account from their CR. Something to consider for sure.
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aj2121 wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:37 am The above is a blanket statement and leads many to believe that removing yourself as an AU will absolutely affect aging metrics. It has been my experience, however, that there are banks that will report the AU account as a closed card and allow you to retain the aging benefits. In my experience both Discover and Synchrony report as a closed account. And I should have a DP for Citi soon. Does anyone know of any other cards that will report as closed when the AU is terminated?
Good post. I do recall reading that terminating the AU account with the FI would keep the closed AU account on the credit reports versus disputing it with the CRAs. I don't have any first hand experience or which lenders report as a closed AU account. If I come across some data points, I'll post up.
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This is normal. Whenever you terminate someone’s authority as an authorized user, the FI is supposed to mark it terminated and you are supposed to retain the aging and payment history benefits.

Now you do have the ability to dispute it off if there’s something negative there, but some people request to have it deleted from the FI unnecessarily.
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Birdman wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:25 am This is normal. Whenever you terminate someone’s authority as an authorized user, the FI is supposed to mark it terminated and you are supposed to retain the aging and payment history benefits.
Or detriments. Definitely an important side of the coin to make people aware of.
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Very true its like the tradeline is closed for the authorized user at that point in time. Good or bad.
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Birdman wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:25 am This is normal. Whenever you terminate someone’s authority as an authorized user, the FI is supposed to mark it terminated and you are supposed to retain the aging and payment history benefits. Now you do have the ability to dispute it off if there’s something negative there, but some people request to have it deleted from the FI unnecessarily.
So it could be a legitimate strategy to be added to older AU cards, even if they have high utilization, and then be removed to retain the aging benefits without the negatives of high utilization or the added stress of managing an AU account while practicing AZEO. Are there any potential downsides to doing so?
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aj2121 wrote: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:23 am
Birdman wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:25 am This is normal. Whenever you terminate someone’s authority as an authorized user, the FI is supposed to mark it terminated and you are supposed to retain the aging and payment history benefits. Now you do have the ability to dispute it off if there’s something negative there, but some people request to have it deleted from the FI unnecessarily.
So it could be a legitimate strategy to be added to older AU cards, even if they have high utilization, and then be removed to retain the aging benefits without the negatives of high utilization or the added stress of managing an AU account while practicing AZEO. Are there any potential downsides to doing so?
@aj2121 very astute. Your observation is correct. The only downside is while it is on your account and active, the utilization will affect your score. But once it’s terminated the utilization will no longer affect it. I can’t think of any other downside if it doesn’t have any negatives.
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@aj2121 And by the way, since your question, the root of it deals with length of history, I think you chose the appropriate subforum.
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So interesting development. Today the terminated AU account was removed completely my Experian report. My AAoA dropped from 3y11mo to 3y10mo. And, weirdly, my EX8 score increased by 4 points.

I have triple checked all of the data and nothing else changed, no utilization changes, no balance changes, no inquiries that fell off or hit the 1 year mark, no other accounts removed. The only thing is the removal of one terminated AU account.

Any ideas on what caused the score increase? Or anything that I am not thinking of that I should check out on my report?

EDIT: The "New Account" negative reason code disappeared today. Even though aging should take effect on the first of the month; I checked my opening dates for my newest revolving and installment accounts. Newest revolving was opened 4/19 and newest installment was opened 5/27.
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Just to clarify, was this your only AU account, or do you have another still present?
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BrutalBodyShots wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:27 am Just to clarify, was this your only AU account, or do you have another still present?
Correct, this was my only AU account. No other AUs, opened or closed, are on my report.
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aj2121 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:34 am So interesting development. Today the terminated AU account was removed completely my Experian report. My AAoA dropped from 3y11mo to 3y10mo. And, weirdly, my EX8 score increased by 4 points. I have triple checked all of the data and nothing else changed, no utilization changes, no balance changes, no inquiries that fell off or hit the 1 year mark, no other accounts removed. The only thing is the removal of one terminated AU account. Any ideas on what caused the score increase? Or anything that I am not thinking of that I should check out on my report? EDIT: The "New Account" negative reason code disappeared today. Even though aging should take effect on the first of the month; I checked my opening dates for my newest revolving and installment accounts. Newest revolving was opened 4/19 and newest installment was opened 5/27.
@aj2121 wait a minute the new account reason code should only appear on 8, if you have a revolver under 12 months of age. What is the authorized user account less than 12 months of age? Are you seeing your newest revolving account was opened 4/19/21? or do you mean 4/2019? Because you said the newest installment was 5/27 I’m assuming of 21? But if that revolver is from 21 you should have the new account code. If it’s from 2019 and you had it and then it disappeared, was that AU less than 12 months of age?
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aj2121 wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:34 am So interesting development. Today the terminated AU account was removed completely my Experian report. My AAoA dropped from 3y11mo to 3y10mo. And, weirdly, my EX8 score increased by 4 points. I have triple checked all of the data and nothing else changed, no utilization changes, no balance changes, no inquiries that fell off or hit the 1 year mark, no other accounts removed. The only thing is the removal of one terminated AU account. Any ideas on what caused the score increase? Or anything that I am not thinking of that I should check out on my report? EDIT: The "New Account" negative reason code disappeared today. Even though aging should take effect on the first of the month; I checked my opening dates for my newest revolving and installment accounts. Newest revolving was opened 4/19 and newest installment was opened 5/27.
@aj2121 Was the AU a bankcard or just a regular Revolver? If it was a bankcard, how many total bankcards did you go from to? Change in number of bankcards is a possibility. It’s still suspicious about that new account code makes me think the AU was under a year old. Also what was the total number of accounts you went from and to, including open and closed on everything.
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@Birdman to clarify, youngest revolver was 4/19/21 and youngest installment was 5/27/21. The AU was a Bankcard, issued by Citi. I will have to weed through the reports and get the other data some time this week.
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